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Tribute to Raymond Franz Video
Raymond Victor Franz passed away on June 2, 2010. Born into a family of Jehovah's Witnesses in 1922, Ray was baptized in 1939 and served as Circuit Overseer, Missionary and ultimately as a member of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses from 1971 to 1980.
At a moment when decisive action was required, Ray resigned his leadership position in May 1980, due to actions of the Governing Body that disturbed his conscience. He later wrote about his experiences, along with scriptural passages that highlighted major issues with Jehovah's Witnesses dogma in two books, Crisis of Conscience, and In Search of Christian Freedom. These books helped many Jehovah's Witnesses to honestly examine their beliefs as well as the actions and decisions of the leadership.
After leaving Jehovah's Witnesses, Ray continued to answer questions from the curious. He helped many to discover their own path in serving God through his humility and scholarly knowledge. Ray was never interested in starting or leading a group of people. His only care was that others be able to worship God with a clean conscience, free of the fear of man, and free of intervention from the agendas of men.
Ray was universally known as a gentle man, full of knowledge and love for the bible and Jesus Christ. He devoted his entire life to helping others get to know Jesus through his actions and the Scriptures. Along with his love and humility was a desire to be honest and truthful with all, and it was this courageous honesty that defined him in his later years. It will be his lasting legacy.
Not desiring adulation in life nor death and in accordance with his Will, Ray chose not to have a funeral or memorial service. Married in 1958 Ray is survived by his devoted wife Cynthia.
Thank you to everyone who contributed their stories in honour of Raymond Franz.
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Hello, i? have just seen a video that said when Ray left the Watchtower he switched to believing the Trinity, is this correct? (search ray franz trinity) Thanks
Hello, i have just ...
Hello, i have just seen a video that? said when Ray left the Watchtower he switched to believing the Trinity, is this correct? (search ray franz trinity) Thanks
@Mis4el1973 Love ...
@Mis4el1973 Love how you put your head in the sand. How about reading only reading older WTBTS books you'll be amazed what you'll uncover? regarding the WTBTS past.
@Mis4el19 If you ...
@Mis4el19 If you were out walking your dog one day and I was there with you and then suddenly you were physically attacked unjustly by some bullying thug, would the most loving thing be for me to enter into the fight on your behalf or just stand back and let you? get beaten up?
In a perfect world you wouldn't need an army or a police force that had to at times resort to voilence. But the fact is we live in a fallen world and moreover you too as a Jw are protected by their presence in our world.
@Mis4el1973 When ...
@Mis4el1973 When it? comes to fighting in a war, one man may decide the loving thing to do is to put his life on the line to fight against the invading power in order to spare his fellow countrymen (women and children) from what would be a cruel, oppressive and exploitative regime. Another may decide it would be unloving to take up arms against the invaders and let them come in and take over.
Where the scriptures are not clear on such an issue, let every man be guided by his own conscience.
@Mis4el1973 So when ...
@Mis4el1973 So when I vote for a politicain, I'm not, by doing so, declaring my total and unwavering support for everything he thinks says and does, but am simply saying, of the available candidates, he is the best person for? the job. That does not in any way take away from my belief that Christ would be the ultimate ruler or implies that I'm handing my allegiance over to a man and not Christ. Have a think about it.
@Mis4el1973 Bro, I ...
@Mis4el1973 Bro, I never said, I put my trust in politicians or that I look to them to peak on my behalf as a christian. But the fact is somebody has to be in power and it's no sin (there's no scriptural basis for any such assertion) for me to put my vote in for who I think would be best for the country. Even if it's a matter of the better of? two evils at least my vote can help put the better man in and ensure a better quality of life for all the people affected.
@Mis4el1973 Your ...
@Mis4el1973 Your friendship with the organization is stopping you being a friend of truth. Is causing you to willfully turn away from it. You say you can do your own research about other churches, but then say, " I'm sorry, I'm not reading any apostate books, I don't need to read that garbage". So your research basically amounts to hearing the warped version of reality the WT feeds you on a weekly basis. Open your eyes bro, they're are the ones practicing? propaganda not me.
@Mis4el1973 The ...
@Mis4el1973 The fact is bro, not one of the ancients Manuscripts found of the NT contains the name Jehovah in the way that your New World Translation contains it. You need to base your beliefs on the hard facts not on how you would like to imagine things were.
Your obviously very attached to this organization and believe everything it tells you and distrust anyone from? outside of it and reject what they are saying even of they bring to your attention indisputable historical facts.
@TheAlan39 ...and ...
@TheAlan39 ...and for the rest of the dogmatic comments. YOu really need to study the Bible a bit more before u make such comments that Gods name was never mentioned in NT. Jesus, the apostles and the rest of the first century christians frequently quoted and studied the hebrew scriptures which was filled with Gods word and they quoted a lot from the hebrew scriptures, which was written down and today known as NT, or greek scriptures.? Would be funny if they didnt use Gods name. Think again...
@TheAlan39 If you ...
@TheAlan39 If you want "friendship with the world" then youre constituting yourself as an enemy of God. The worldly govts are a part of this world order. Satan is the ruler of this world order as "the god of this system of things" and is "misleading the entire? inhabited earth" so how can u put ur trust to politicians who are run by Satan? So in conclusion: Yes, it is wrong in God Jehovahs eyes to be in a political position. (James 4:4; Rev 12:9; 2 Cor 4:4)
@TheAlan39 Never ...
@TheAlan39 Never said it was a sin to be in that position? Do you think its wise to vote for a human government when? Jehovah clearly says in Dan 2:44 that he's going to destroy the kingdoms of this world order? Furthermore Jesus said "love thy enemy" = dont kill people in war, dont support the government with their corrupt politicians, they cannot speak for you as a christian, NEVER. They look to whats best for themselves before they look to whats best in Gods eyes.
@TheAlan39 The only ...
@TheAlan39 The only ones actually following Christs commands is Jehovah's Witnesses. The only ones actually EDUCATING people about Jehovahs way and his will. You cannot base a faith 90% on singing and charismatic? TV-preachers. Such a faith is very shallow. 1 John 4:1 FYI WT has never ever made a public announcement about the "false predictions" that yer mentioning. I'm sorry I'm not reading any apostate books. I dont need to read his garbage. I can make my own conclusions tyvm. Good bye
@TheAlan39 Dude, I ...
@TheAlan39 Dude, I really honestly don't care about your propaganda. I have eyes, I can see? for myself. I have ears I can listen and make my own conclusions. I can study and make researches about other churches. My faith is firmly rooted with Jehovahs people, and made solid by knowledge through years and years of meticulous regular Bible studies every day, every week. Its fine. Save your breath.
@Mis4el1973 (cont2) ...
@Mis4el1973 (cont2) martyrs and people devoted to spreading the truth, (often at a great cost to themselves) in the past 120 yrs since the WT has been in existence, that you would need a few lifetimes to read about in full. What you've been fed about other believers is largely a myth.
Remember the WT's agenda is to portray themselves as? the only ones faithful to Jehovah and the rest of the church as having prostituted themselves to the world. Time for you to check their claims out for yourself.
@Mis4el1973 Also, ...
@Mis4el1973 Also, your negative view of the christian church, seeing them as not living up? to what they agree is the truth. Although, to be fair, has some merit, is, I believe, a result of being heavily indoctinated by an organization that is determined to get you to see them as lukewarm and compromising, by constantly drawing your attention to the negative things they do and failing to bring to your attention the positive and honorable things they do and have done. There has been many (cont)
@Mis4el197 I agree ...
@Mis4el197 I agree that neither Jesus nor the Apostles tried to get into politics or positions of rulership or started an army in order to further their cause. But they never said it was a sin to be in any? of those positions or that it indicated you weren't a true child of God. The criteria you're using to determine whether someone is a true child of God or not is not the criteria we were given in the NT to make this determination. And the criteria we WERE given doesn't exclude 99% of christians
@Mis4el1973 I want ...
@Mis4el1973 I want to point out to that nowhere in the Bible does it say, that fighting in a war, supporting a war or being part of an army is a mark of a non believer. Jesus in his dealings with the Roman centurian or Peter in his dealings with Cornelius (also a centurian) never once referred to their occupations let alone asked them? to get out of it. Also Paul dealt with men in politics and although tried to convert them to christianity, never once spoke negatively of their occupation.
@Mis4el1973 (cont3) ...
@Mis4el1973 (cont3) book "In search of christian? freedom" called "A people for His name" between pages 489-523 in the copy I have. He will do a lot better job of explaining it to you than I have or will. I don't believe you could read it reflectively and come away with the same view you currently have.
@Mis4el1973? (cont2 ...
@Mis4el1973? (cont2) making the name of Jehovah known or using it in their prayers is in no way reflected in the ancient NT manuscripts. Even with the unjustifiable insertion of Jehovah 237 times it still not that much when you consider that the name Jesus appears 912 times and God 1275 times. So it would be unfair to to see using the name Jehovah in prayers and preaching etc as a way of identifying who God's true people are.
Ray Franz wrote a brilliant chapter on this subject in his 2nd (cont)
@Mis4el1973 Never ...
@Mis4el1973 Never once in the the NT was using the name Jehovah part of the criteria to test if one was a true believer or not.(see 1st John) In fact, the name Jehovah was not found? in any of the 5000 existent ancient manuscripts of the NT, from which our modern day versions of the Bible have been translated. There is nothing found that supports the WT society inserting the name Jehovah 237 times in the NT section of their New World translation. The great importance the WT places upon (cont)
@TheAlan39 Even if ...
@TheAlan39 Even if churches say that they "believe", their actions shows what lies in their hearts. Agreeing on stuff is not hard. But to actually live up to what u agree upon as a christian is harder. Churches? support wars, they fraternise with the world and the political system, Jesus ran away when they wanted to make him a King, a political leader. That pretty much removes 99% of all churches concerning bibli criteria, according to Gods principles. Well.. that is all I had to say.
@TheAlan39 The ...
@TheAlan39 The heathen times would start after the last apostle had died @ end of 1st cent when christians were infected by worldly thoughts and human traditions. Paul talked about that. (Acts 20:29,30) The prophecies is clear on what would happen, and when J.C finally would reign as king in the heavens @ the end of times? when a preaching campaign would take place lead by J.C. Read carefully what Matt 24:14 and 28:19, 20 teaches. Who is preaching about Gods kingdom? (Isa 52:7; Rom 10:13-15)
@TheAlan39 Yeah.... ...
@TheAlan39 Yeah.... whatever u wrote wont fall in good? soil here, ty. I've studied the bible in such an immense way that whatever negative stuff u have to say about Jehovahs witnesses and whatnot doesnt fly. There is only one truth. And that is that who ever identify themselves with Gods name and use it in their prayers, talk to people about Gods name and his kingdom is those who actually are Gods friends. Hiding Gods name, neglecting to use it doesnt honor God Jehovah.
@Mis4el1(cont2) ...
@Mis4el1(cont2) church that He birthed into existence 2000 yrs ago not 120 yrs ago to bring it forth. And through? all the mess of church history (which I reiterate Jw's have been a part of not separate from) His truth has been advancing. So if you want to believe God's only working through you guys even though there is not a single mention of you in scripture nor any supernatural signs pointing to you being entrusted with this great responsibility then go for it. But I believe Your missing out.
@Mis4el1973 "Does ...
@Mis4el1973 "Does the Bible mention more than one truth? No."
The fact is bro the overwhelming majority of christians churches believe all the core truths that are essential to salvation and christian living. As someone once said, 'The church has shown the uncanny ability to agree on 98% of things but be divided over the 2% they don't agree on. And Jw's? aren't separate from this division, they're are part of it.
There is only one truth and it has always been God intention to use His (cont)
@Mis4el1973 And ...
@Mis4el1973 And even if there were one church that God had selected to represent Himself. Why would it be the WT society? They've made? a host of false predictions and have changed there mind about certain truths on too many occasions to mention. If you believed something now that you believed 40 yrs ago you'd be disfellowshipped for it. Read Rays books and let the truth in them pop the false reality bubble you're living in.
@Mis4el1973 (cont2) ...
@Mis4el1973 (cont2) above (in some high and lofty place) all the silly little scisms and divisions that christian church has become know for when in actual fact they just added one more little denomination when Russell and his adherants separated themselves.
God knows those that are His, those that are loyal to Him and set out to live by His truth to the best of their abililty and one day they will be one flock under one shepherd in? a visible way.
@Mis4el1973 The ...
@Mis4el1973 The true church was birthed 2000 yrs ago and has become divided because of people thinking they were the only ones who had the pure unadulterated truth and subsequently separating themselves from the rest of us. Charles Taze Russell was a man such as this who? exemplified the very spirit that's reponsible for all the divisions we now see. But JW's deceive themselves into believing that because they are united among themselves (which btw, every group is) that somehow they're (cont)
@TheAlan39 When the ...
@TheAlan39 When the true christians in the first century was doing Gods work. Were there any other christian communities? No. Did they believe that others could have Jehovahs blessing? outside their community? No. Does the bible mention more than 1 truth? No. So u see.. there can only be one belief that God approves of. Not several beliefs with different doctrines. God works only through one channel. Not through many. U might want to study the bible about this. Good bye.



